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Author:  ELVIS PRASIOLITE [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

blue paraiba wrote:
Qld Barry wrote:
Well, let me be the first to ask- where is your area?

My area is nevada, i travel around the west and southwest US.


Arizona, "Ant Hill" chrome garnet. Beautiful red color, but so saturated, most cut stones over a carat are to dark.

Arizona also produces Andradite garnet. The green variety being, Demantoid, but I've not heard of Demantoid being found there officially, just rumor.

Orange Spessartite, from the "Little Three Mine" in California. If I remember my gem history right, this is the first place the found Spessartite Garnet. Seems like their is another mine close by that produces Spessartite too.

Idaho produces some fine gem Pyrope Garnet.

Montana produces Garnet.

I'm sure most western states do, it's just a matter if their gem grade.

Author:  upcyclist [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

I was just reading about a public site for spess garnet in Arizona, too, though I'm not sure what color or grade they are there. East of Kingman. I gave my dad the book, but could probably pester him for the info if you're interested.

Author:  ROM [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

ELVIS PRASIOLITE wrote:
blue paraiba wrote:

Orange Spessartite, from the "Little Three Mine" in California. If I remember my gem history right, this is the first place the found Spessartite Garnet. Seems like their is another mine close by that produces Spessartite too.

The garnet species Spessartite is named for its occurrence in Spessart, Germany (Bavaria), the earliest-known. But it was probably popularized from its major 19th century production at Rutherford Mines, Amelia Courthouse, VA which Bauer mentioned in 1905. Early mineralogists thought it was a variety of grossular/hessonite, and not a separate garnet species.

The Little 3 and Hercules mines haven't produced much in many years -- they're being built over by housing developments and hampered by uneconomic mining regulations. Some pegmatites in the Pala District have produced small amounts of spessartite.

Spessartites from many other U.S. locations are commonly a darker orange/red or brownish spessartite-almandine combination and not the vibrant orange-hued stones.

The best AZ andradites all seem to be on Apache Indian land and visitors are NOT welcome.

Author:  ELVIS PRASIOLITE [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

Yep, that is right.

I guess I failed to mention the first place Spessartite was found in the USA. California. My mistake. :)

Author:  stairman [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

ROM wrote:
ELVIS PRASIOLITE wrote:
blue paraiba wrote:

Orange Spessartite, from the "Little Three Mine" in California. If I remember my gem history right, this is the first place the found Spessartite Garnet. Seems like their is another mine close by that produces Spessartite too.


The Little 3 and Hercules mines haven't produced much in many years -- they're being built over by housing developments and hampered by uneconomic mining regulations. Some pegmatites in the Pala District have produced small amounts of spessartite.quote

It isn't that they are being built over it is that California is not very business friendly and the people that own the mine decided to not pursue mining it because of that. The people of California are in a race to see who can call themselves greener and mining of all types is frowned upon. There are less then ten homes with in two miles of the little three and hercules mine which are pretty much on top of each other.

Author:  ROM [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

Hi Stairman, I stand corrected somewhat. I based my post on what I was told when talking with a person who mined spessartite there, Donald K. Olson. I bought my first spessartites from him years ago, before the African discoveries. I haven't visited the sites and maybe Don was exaggerating the development situation a little. But I do recall reading an interview with the mine owner who emphasized the mining operation couldn't continue because, as I posted originally, government regulations have made them "uneconomic." Meaning he couldn't afford to comply with OSHA and other regulatory agencies.

Author:  stairman [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

yup that is the case....olsen sounds familiar...msha would be the fed agency but California threw some other road blocks about blasting ....as if they were trying to make tiny gravel out of the peg....I've found some small but great garnets in hat field creek while gold prospecting....there is another mine close buy for sale...or was last time I looked called the surprise mine..mostly surface work only been done there.But that peg is on the same belt of pegmatite that leads to the three and herurk just amile or so as the crow flies....I have a "yard rock" from the area covered with tiny little three colored garnets that is the size of a small pig..lol....I love san diego county!
77 degree high here in Ramona today

Author:  ROM [ Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

We had a 77 high here today too. The Santa Ana's were blowing and the sky was ultra-clear with some really odd and beautiful cloud formations. I wish I'd had my camera with me while driving the Post Office. You've got great field-collecting opportunities down there. Good fishing too! I used to fish for skipjack and yellowtail tuna in the incredibly blue and beautiful waters a mile or so offshore from the San Onofre nuke plant. Did anyone ever buy a brassiere for that thing? :mrgreen:

Author:  MJO [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

What is the price of Benkly material? I thought good tsavorite is more expensive. 3 ct tsavorites are going for up to $3,000 per carat, I have a few Benkly's with one a 3 ct that I don't believe is anywhere near that.

Author:  Stephen Challener [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

MJO wrote:
What is the price of Benkly material? I thought good tsavorite is more expensive. 3 ct tsavorites are going for up to $3,000 per carat, I have a few Benkly's with one a 3 ct that I don't believe is anywhere near that.

What is Benkly material?

Author:  Barbra Voltaire, FGG [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

I think, Bekily is what we're after.
Color change blue garnet.

Author:  ROM [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

Maurice, nice to hear from you again. I buy stones for resale for the most part - I squirrel away some for my own collection but not often. None of my clients seems sufficiently interested in exotic garnets like Bekily's to justify a large inventory investment on my part so I haven't kept track of prices. Most want finest collector quality at the lowest below wholesale commercial prices. PM me, I might be able to put you onto the price trail.

Author:  MJO [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

Barbra Voltaire wrote:
I think, Bekily is what we're after.
Color change blue garnet.


Hi Barbara,

You are right. It was late last night for me after a few drinks when I wrote this.

Author:  MJO [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

ROM wrote:
Maurice, nice to hear from you again. I buy stones for resale for the most part - I squirrel away some for my own collection but not often. None of my clients seems sufficiently interested in exotic garnets like Bekily's to justify a large inventory investment on my part so I haven't kept track of prices. Most want finest collector quality at the lowest below wholesale commercial prices. PM me, I might be able to put you onto the price trail.


Will do Rick.

Author:  Marlow [ Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Garnets

Colorless grossular, so called Leucogrossular.

Very beautiful and rare!!!

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