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 Post subject: a 400 Carats "Pigeon Blood" red Ruby, Need Advice!!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:43 pm 
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Hello everyone!

It’s such a pleasant moment for me discovering this terrific place.

I’m fortunate enough to have an opportunity of helping my friend to promote this incredible “Pigeon blood” red, uncut ruby. Its genuineness has been testified by a national gemology laboratory.

This extremely rare ruby was offered for 20million dollars from a casino owner in Macao, but the deal was turn downed by its owner. The owner thinks it worth much more.

Its 400 carats, “Pigeon Blood” red, with great clarity, 2 inches in length, 1.57 inches in width, and the maximum thickness is about 0.62 inches. It’s originated from Mogok, Burma.

I was thinking about three ways to promote this extraordinary ruby:
1. Museum exhibition
2. Journalism report
3. World class jewelry design contest

I would appreciate your true expertise for any advice that offered.

Thank you!

Alfred


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:22 am 
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Call me a skeptic, but I'd love to see a copy of the "testament" of genuineness by the national gemological laboratory. Can you scan and post it please?

Sorry, perhaps it's the photo, but it looks like a molten lump of red glass.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:14 am 
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here is the electronic version without the seal.
i couldn't upload a whole version, due to the size restriction. :(


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sorry this certificate wasn't in English.

But this laboratory is the most authoritative institution in China.
http://eng.cags.ac.cn/

and i have the scientist's contact information, who conducted this research.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:05 am 
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i understand people are skeptical on finest things.


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.Its 400 carats, “Pigeon Blood” red, with great clarity, .......

dude define clarity in this picture!!!!

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roshanravan wrote:
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.Its 400 carats, “Pigeon Blood” red, with great clarity, .......

dude define clarity in this picture!!!!


sorry. the scientist from the national laboratory can only testify its a natural "pigeon blood" red uncut ruby, but not its clarity.

but the top jewelers here defined it has great clarity, and transparency, with few inclusions.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:52 am 
Woop woop... if it is indeed genuine, museum exhibitions would be a good shot !


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hi,

wave wrote:
why this post was moved to the colored stones category? its a ruby, not a color stone.


the main traditional differentiation in gemology is between diamonds and colored stones.
corundums obviously falls in the latter category.

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wave wrote:
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wave wrote:
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.Its 400 carats, “Pigeon Blood” red, with great clarity, .......

dude define clarity in this picture!!!!


sorry. the scientist from the national laboratory can only testify its a natural "pigeon blood" red uncut ruby, but not its clarity.

but the top jewelers here defined it has great clarity, and transparency, with few inclusions.

well in the picture i dont see any transparency neither clarity!!!!
its opaque and has appearance of a molten glass
as far as i know the most expensive ruby ever sold is Alan Caplan Ruby in 1988 for $3630000
that's what i call Pigeon Blood and great clarity
http://jewelry-blog.internetstones.com/ ... mogok-ruby

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well in the picture i dont see any transparency neither clarity!!!!
its opaque and has appearance of a molten glass
as far as i know the most expensive ruby ever sold is Alan Caplan Ruby in 1988 for $3630000
that's what i call Pigeon Blood and great clarity
http://jewelry-blog.internetstones.com/ ... mogok-ruby


well, there is a big difference on clarity between a raw uncut one and a well polished one.
this ruby was defined as almost transparent. only its right side was slightly polished, rest part was still wrapped by its natural old skin, as you can see.

i will post another amateur pic soon, later on i will have a professional photographer to take a better quality picture.


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Alberto wrote:
hi,

wave wrote:
why this post was moved to the colored stones category? its a ruby, not a color stone.


the main traditional differentiation in gemology is between diamonds and colored stones.
corundums obviously falls in the latter category.

ciao
alberto


thanks for the lesson :)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:47 am 
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[quote=]Woop woop... if it is indeed genuine, museum exhibitions would be a good shot ![/quote]

thanks! there is no doubt for its genuineness.

do you have any experience for museum exhibitions?

i was thinking of the National Museum of Natural History at D.C.


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wave wrote:
well, there is a big difference on clarity between a raw uncut one and a well polished one.
this ruby was defined as almost transparent. only its right side was slightly polished, rest part was still wrapped by its natural old skin, as you can see.


I'm inclined to agree with Ros on this. There is nothing in the image that gives me the impression it is of good faceting quality. And the talk regarding not being allowed to publish the content in the report... hmmmm. I would sure like to see a translation of the conclusion in the report.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:48 am 
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Sorry Wave, I'm not sure what you wish to accomplish.

Most of our members are trained industry professionals.

You are not listening and responding to their comments but simply trying to convince us of your agenda based on a report which is not addressing gemological issues such as treatment and additional unsubstantiated hearsay. Therefore it is not terribly relevant in a gemological discussion.

Get your stone tested and identified by a Gemological Lab!
The Gemological Institute of America has labs in Hong Kong, Mumbai and Bangkok,and AIGS in Thailand.

Once you have a GEMOLOGICAL report on your stone, come back and we will continue the discussion.
With proper facts we can be of much more help to you.
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