January 24 Through February 4—TUCSON, ARIZONA: Annual show
Welcome to the GemologyOnline.com Forum
A non-profit Forum for the exchange of gemological ideas
It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:15 pm

All times are UTC - 4 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 104 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:06 pm 
Offline
Gemology Online Übergod
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:39 pm
Posts: 3528
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
No, no... not what they WILL do...

As someone who knows what you know about diamonds... what "should" it cost? I mean, NATURAL diamonds already cost way more than they should...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:00 pm 
Offline
Valued Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:38 pm
Posts: 451
gem-n00b wrote:
No, no... not what they WILL do...

As someone who knows what you know about diamonds... what "should" it cost? I mean, NATURAL diamonds already cost way more than they should...


What is the price to make, market hold in inventory, sell? What profit percentage would you allow for return on investment? Do you include the learning curve of making synthetic diamonds into the equation?


The answer is whatever someone is willing to pay. You may not want to pay that much but others are.

_________________
Regards,
Maurice


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:03 pm 
Offline
Gemology Online Übergod
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:39 pm
Posts: 3528
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Fair enough... what would you (as a consumer) expect as a "discount" for a synthetic diamond? At what point would you consider it a "reasonable" trade-off for the man-made origin?

Note: this question is for everyone. :)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:04 pm 
Offline
Valued Contributor

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:10 am
Posts: 299
Location: Illinois
I was at a seminar a while back and the speaker was one of the major sightholders. His theory was that DeBeers is already far ahead of the game when it comes to synthetics because they have been working on them since the 50's. If the synthetics ever become a viable market he thinks DeBeers will flood the market to creat a two tier perception, natural = valuable, synthetic = cheap. By the way, they will also bankrupt anybody who has made a significiant investment to bring them to market. Nasty, but effective deterrant to competitors. Such an altustic bunch of guys :? .


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:08 pm 
Offline
Gemology Online Übergod
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:39 pm
Posts: 3528
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Wow... talk about your evil genius moves! ;) Gotta hand it to them, they know how to maintain a monopoly!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:37 pm 
Offline
Valued Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:38 pm
Posts: 451
gem-n00b wrote:
Fair enough... what would you (as a consumer) expect as a "discount" for a synthetic diamond? At what point would you consider it a "reasonable" trade-off for the man-made origin?

Note: this question is for everyone. :)


Even though I am an Oppenheimer I don't like diamonds so I'm not the one to ask about what I would pay for a synthetic. I would pay $100. My distant cousins have pulled off the greatest scam ever. At least oil has a purpose and is used to build, heat and transport. Ernest and his heirs have created a market for a somewhat common rock and maintained it's value. At least Tanzanite One is attempting to do the same for a stone that isn't as common in both quantity and geographic location. The good part of this is that it's apparent value helped some of my other relatives in WWII bribe border guards to look the other way as they fled Germany for their lives.

_________________
Regards,
Maurice


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:02 pm 
Wow! I didn't realize you were related to the Oppenheimers that I read about in my GIA assignments!

No wonder you have such an amazing gem collection and such a great eye for gems - it's in your blood!


Top
  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:58 pm 
Offline
Valued Contributor
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:38 pm
Posts: 451
Snizzy wrote:
Wow! I didn't realize you were related to the Oppenheimers that I read about in my GIA assignments!

No wonder you have such an amazing gem collection and such a great eye for gems - it's in your blood!


Hi Snizzy,

They don't realize it either <g>. We were the side of the family that went to England and then some went to Burma (then British Colony). My father told me the family history of Earnest, Sir Francis, Harry and now Nicky and Jonathan. They have done a remarkable job of controlling the commodity but things changed over the last decade. As new sources of diamonds come on board that can't be controlled they left the smaller stones to go to market prices but still controlled the larger more important stones. They can't purchase all those stones to make them seem more rare so they stimulated the market by adding anniversey rings and the right handed ring for those not married. Also step up to a bigger engagement ring. The one you couldn't aford to buy her when you were young. This takes supply out of the market by stimilating demand. Very Bright Idea. Branding diamonds is another market nitch to set you stones appart is another good idea that I'm not sure will catch on (like eight star diamonds).

_________________
Regards,
Maurice


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: synthetics
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:02 am 
Offline
Active Member

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:30 am
Posts: 68
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I am still confused by one thing that Bryant said and that was that his diamonds were natural. How can they be natural if rhey are created in a lab?

_________________
Look at all the pretty colored stones!

Wildflower


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:10 am 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:42 pm
Posts: 2846
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
I don't think he said that they were natural. What he said was something along the lines of "I find it interesting that all created diamonds starts as a seed of natural diamonds". Is that what you are talking about?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: dIAMONDS
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:14 am 
Offline
Active Member

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:30 am
Posts: 68
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
No, I was sure he claimed they were natural because they started as a natural diamond seed and used the same chemical as a natural diamond...I would have to read the log of the chat to find out if that was what I read but I am pretty sure. Because it confused me a lot.

I didn't understand how they could be natural and be created at the same time.

_________________
Look at all the pretty colored stones!

Wildflower


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:18 am 
Doos will post the log to the chat soon, so we can read it then and see exactly what was said during the chat. Perhaps he can be contacted for futher clarification, if needed.


Top
  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: diamonds
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:21 am 
Offline
Active Member

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:30 am
Posts: 68
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I hope so since I am about to begin my Diamond course and am confused enought as it is LOL. :D

_________________
Look at all the pretty colored stones!

Wildflower


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:35 am 
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:42 pm
Posts: 2846
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
The chat log would be useful.

I don't recall him claiming that his diamonds were "natural" only that the best start with a seed of natural diamond. Like any other synthetic, the end result is a diamond (or ruby or sapphire etc) because it's chemical composition is the same as the naturally created gemstone . But no lab-created gemstone can be called a "natural".

So while it IS a diamond, pure carbon in gem form, it is NOT a natural diamond.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Diamond
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:49 am 
Offline
Active Member

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:30 am
Posts: 68
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
I probably didn't read it right...That is why I am asking. After working all night I probably misread the whole thing. I will read it again when doos posts it and if I am still confused can I ask questions here?

_________________
Look at all the pretty colored stones!

Wildflower


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 104 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are UTC - 4 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Gemology Style ported to phpBB3 by Christian Bullock